that's glen doherty the other navy seal. they go after -- link up with libyan militia they get to the cia annex. that's where woods and doherty are killed when a mortar hits. it's unclear how sustained the attack was on the annex when the evening progressed. but i think that when you put it in that context, that the cia was secret and they tried to do things within their own chain of command, the state department was totally different from them, and the military in europe is refusing to send in any assets, because they are not sure what the hell is going on. so i think there is a fog of war aspect. there is a division. >> bill: i'm not going to second guess the cia or anything else. here is the thing. the president of the united states is the bottom line guy here. all right? and right now, six weeks, we're not getting -- we're getting stonewalled. his answers, barack obama's answers are stonewalled. and all i do is break it down. he he has got to know as i said in the talking points, who told carney and rice to say what they